[AMC-List] LPG conversion reasons

["Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Message: 4         
   Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
   From: anoble savage <savage944@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: We're Entering A New Phase

More thoughts...

  4k for a 445 HP/455 ft lbs V8 for your ride - of course not sure 
what
  would be invested in the car that gets that motor... but how about
  this...

  A Dodge Turbo MiniVan


   Purchase price of the Van, $800  
   Intercooler, Ford power stroke $230   
   Piping for the cooler, (est.) $100   
   52 pph super 60 injectors $135   
   Adjustable fuel pressure regulator from Duane Snyder  $50   
   Opened up fuel rail $50   
   Forward Motion Enforcer 2 Turbo $900   
   Extra fuel injectors from a VW Rabbit $20   
   Hobbs pressure switch $50  
   2 stage boost solenoid from a Isuzu Impulse $0   
   K and N Cone filter Made for a full size chevy $45   
   Zener Diode for Map Sensor $20   
   Grainger Valve for boost control $8   
   Misc. Vacuum line, hose and connectors, fuel lines, etc. $100   
   HOSE CLAMPS! $100   
   Balance shafts removed $20  
   Under drive pulley Forward Motion $130  
   Head Gasket and bolts $50   
   G" cast head $400   
   180 degree thermostat with rubber gasket $10  
   Custom PCV Valve and Breather $15    
   Ported Exhaust Manifold from Forward Motion $150  
   Auto Gauge 20 PIS Boost Gauge $35   
   Auto Meter Water Temp Gauge $55   
   Auto Gauge 5 inch Tach with shift light $120  
   Cyberdyne Fuel pressure Gauge $100  
   Cyberdyne Air Fuel Gauge $50  
   Light weight battery, new cables and mount $50  
   22 inch M/T slicks on donated wheels $300  
   Full Manual valve body from Turbo Action  
   Cheeta Valve  $150  
   Front end Alignment to true Zero $50
  SUB TOTAL                        $4288!!
  LOW 13s and HIGH 12s

  Other items for durability, or maintenance, but MAY not have made 
the
  van any faster:  

   Racing Snell 95 Helmet $150  
   New Clutch packs (4) and seals in transmission  $100   
   New Posi unit from Future Auto $600  
   New 4 wire O2 sensor $55  
   New Belts $50   
   New Axles $170   
   New Brakes $50  
   New Brake Disc $75   
   New Calipers $50  
   New Brake Hose $15  
   New Wheel Cylinders (rear) $10  
   New Ball Joints $150   
   Orange engine paint $10   
   New oil pan gasket, valve cover gasket, front and rear seals, cam 
seal
   $100   New ignition system (stock) $75  New radiator $130  New 
Radiator
   hoses, new heater lines and hose $70  Radiator mount to move 
radiator
   $4   New BBS Alloy wheels with lug nuts $100  New General H speed 
rated
   tires $300   Mobil One 10 w 30 oil $20  Fuel filter $20  Full 3 
inch
   exhaust all they way out the back  $100   New Carpet $28   30 PSI 
gauge
   and pressure switch lights in dash $30 
  Grand Total  $6750
  TO RUN HIGH 12s to MID 12s in a MiniVAN   
  Additional Upgrades for more power:

   New custom Computer $300   
   3 Bar (28psi) Map Sensor Gm part number 16040749 $75   
   4 new 75 pound per hour injectors $320  
   New 3 inch mandrel bent down pipe off the turbo $175   
   New head gasket and transmission freshen up $300  
   EGT gauge from Auto Meter $120  
   255 LPH high volume, high pressure fuel pump $120   
   Magnacore spark plug wires $40  
   Another O2 sensor $50 
  Sub Total (add to above total) $1500
  THAT´S 8250!! 

  Turbo MiniVan - running low 12s with full interior and driven to 
and
  from track, etc... 381 HP & 448 ft/lbs in Street Trim   456 HP and 
559 ft
  lbs in Race trim Of course a lighter car and better trans 
arrangement
  would mean a faster ride!

  ?So much bottom end torque? Torque converters do this really nifty 
thing
  called torque multiplication, which means your crankshaft torque is
  actually amplified in the low RPM range. It doesn't happen all the 
way
  to redline, of course, but it's a ton of fun while it lasts!

  Now lets toss the EFI expense - and do it with carbs - Carb box - 
so we
  can toss all the extra expense of computers and injectors - replace 
them
  with a 4 barrel carb or bike carbs - build a box - use a set of
  injectors and a single additional injector control to add extra 
fuel
  under boost.

  Or better yet toss the carbs, the efi and the gas tank and 
everything
  that goes with it. So shave atleast 1 - 2 k off the expense of the 
build
  up... 







  Install 2 LPG tanks from a fork lift,  a regulators and lines, plus 
a
  mixer.  Since you can get custome mixers up to 1300 CFM - so I 
think you
  can get r done - even with just one mixer(carb) Draw thru is sweet 
with
  this setup - since a mixer can be mounted in side draft or down 
draft
  configurations.... or blow thru - custom billet also is an option. 

  And for you v8 guys you can do 2 or even three...

  For a 4 or 6 cyl a 450cfm  unit - works and is a standard size. 
Should
  be more than enough.... so assuming just one mixer, one regulator 
and 2
  tanks under 700.00 for the conversion. Cheaper to operate, oil 
changes
  every 20-30k and the oil looks good and clean, cleaner emmisions - 
perks
  for alternate fuel vehicle.... what kills me is running 2 bar  
hahaha or
  similar with high octane fuel - you only have to worry about the 
stress
  on engine components not so much detonation any more.




  Checked with local LPG company 300 gallon tank installed with 
lines,
  etc.. and filled 650.00 Average cost when buying in bulk 1.00 or 
less a
  gallon - so an adapter and you fill your own tanks. Use a BBQ tank 
as
  your emergency gas can.

  If you get 30 MPG on Gas and assuming 8/10 the gas milleage on lpg 
that
  yields 24 MPG of course in some cases you see closer to 9/10.... so 
lets
  see 2 x15 gallon tanks lets assume LPG cost you 1.50 a gallon vs. 
3.0 or
  more a gallon... seems like a nice trade off that and the fact that 
you
  are now running basically race fuel - how can you go wrong?




  OH worried about availabilty - with an adapter a bbq tank can be 
hooked
  up and drained into your tanks. Also the reason I say forklift 
tanks -
  you can pull them out and take them in, assuming your local spot 
wouldnt
  fuel your car directly.

  Weight? Use the tanks for ballast and traction mount them around 
the
  tires in the rear.

  Also lots of states currently either pay for some or all of the
  conversion - so how about that - you get a check back from the 
state.

  Now imagine your hot rod with just you in it, crusing the HOV lane -

  cause most states let alternate fuel vehciles use the HOV lane even 
as
  single occupancy including the state of FLA - hahahaha.

  Kick backs from the feds as well, it is usually tax deductable - oh 
and
  if your vehcile is part of your buisness even more so....

  So how about a 10 second propane powered 4 or 6 cyl hot rod running
  propane, natural gas or alchy.... cheap to run, decent gas mileage, 
tons
  of power, clean buring and money in your pocket.

  Thats my idea of a NEW PHASE - a complete conversion package is 
about
  300-450 dollars without the tanks and tanks you can get used.....
  forklift yard anyone - by the way most RV stops have vehicle refuel
  stations.



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yep......... found that on the Internet.


  
        =Bt=
  milnersXcoupe


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