Re: [AMC-list] AMC-list Digest, Vol 117, Issue 10

[Thomas Hofstad <hofstad@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

 I want to thank the moderator(s) for their work over the years.  Im afraid though that time and tech have made the list obsolete (I can relate!).I doubt the time invested in keeping it running is worth it....  Happy Holidays to the AMC faithful

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  1. Re: the AMC-LIST.com domain.... (Ken Ames)
  2. Re: AMC-list Digest, Vol 117, Issue 9 (Richard Estermyer)
  3. The List (Bruce Hevner)
  4. amc-list (Eddie Stakes)


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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 22:27:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....
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For a long time it was pretty much the only source I had. I'd keep it, but I'm also a bit of an accumulator 
that has trouble letting things go. :)

Ken Ames

39Master85w.partscar,50Cockshutt30,53Cockshutt50,67Marlin343,68AMX343,70Machine,
73Matador2dht401,73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,76Matador4dsd,
76-77Matadorcpes,2-77AMXs304,77Pacersw,78AMX304,78GremlinGT,78Concordsw,
79Concordhb,79PacerDL304,2-79AMXs304/401,79Spiritsed,80J10,2-80AMXs258/401,
2-80SpiritDL304/258,80Eagle4dsdn,3-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,2-81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
83SpiritDL,3-85Eaglesw,2-80J20/360,85J10,2-88Eaglesw,94Sentra2dsd  (51)

AMCA = http://www.amcalberta.ca

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From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 2:35:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....

sic transit gloria mundi.  i'd miss it, but probably not much; i've
moved pretty much out of the amc hobby now.

the only valuable thing i have left is the 'mexican' bell housing [amc
t10 to '60s i6].  anyone know of a good home for it?

" From: tom jennings <itisasif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" hey everyone... tom jennings here.
" 
" i've not been on this list for some time, though i'm one of the administrators! oops. frank swygert had some technical issues posting this, and due to the nature of the posting, wasn't deemed worth fixing the problem.... so heres the news:
" 
" The domain name is up for renewal 7 January, and Tom and I have been
" discussing whether we are going to renew it or not. It's not expensive,
" but there is so little activity here it's hardly worth keeping the list up
" except for nostalgia.
" 
" The main reason the old fashioned mailing list is dying out (all of them!)
" is because there are so many other venues now. There are at least a dozen
" Facebook pages that focus on specific models, time frames, or interests.
" There is the AMC Forum (
" www.theamcfoum.com
" ), that is probably the premier
" AMC site. All of those also allow photos to be posted and work well on
" modern computers. They are more what people expect today and are a bit
" easier to use.
" 
" So the list is pretty much obsolete. Tom is looking at saving the archived
" files, but there really isn't much good info that can't be found on other
" web sites any more, and easier. I still have a couple of the old archive
" disks, but haven't searched one of them in many years.
" 
" So what say you? The largest archive (largest number of posts) in a month
" this year was February at 9K (30 messages), and most of that was "How many
" are still on this list" -- only 11 other posts. Average was about 8 posts
" per month. It's only $15 a year, so it's not a bother to keep it open for
" at least one more year, but I won't after that.
" 
" Frank Swygert
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Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2018 11:37:25 +0000
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Been the best place to be but yes for the most part I vote to stop.  Our administrators have done a fantastic job along the way. Having communication when there was little.  Thanks to all!
Christmas Blessings
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2. Re: the AMC-LIST.com domain.... (Jim Shadwick)
3. Re: the AMC-LIST.com domain.... (Jim Shadwick)
4. Re: the AMC-LIST.com domain.... (Sandwich Maker)
5. Re: the AMC-LIST.com domain.... (A Griffith)
6. Re: the AMC-LIST.com domain.... (Ken Ames)


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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 21:06:57 +0000
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Subject: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....
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hey everyone... tom jennings here.

i've not been on this list for some time, though i'm one of the administrators! oops. frank swygert had some technical issues posting this, and due to the nature of the posting, wasn't deemed worth fixing the problem.... so heres the news:

The domain name is up for renewal 7 January, and Tom and I have been
discussing whether we are going to renew it or not. It's not expensive,
but there is so little activity here it's hardly worth keeping the list up
except for nostalgia.

The main reason the old fashioned mailing list is dying out (all of them!)
is because there are so many other venues now. There are at least a dozen
Facebook pages that focus on specific models, time frames, or interests.
There is the AMC Forum (
www.theamcfoum.com
), that is probably the premier
AMC site. All of those also allow photos to be posted and work well on
modern computers. They are more what people expect today and are a bit
easier to use.

So the list is pretty much obsolete. Tom is looking at saving the archived
files, but there really isn't much good info that can't be found on other
web sites any more, and easier. I still have a couple of the old archive
disks, but haven't searched one of them in many years.

So what say you? The largest archive (largest number of posts) in a month
this year was February at 9K (30 messages), and most of that was "How many
are still on this list" -- only 11 other posts. Average was about 8 posts
per month. It's only $15 a year, so it's not a bother to keep it open for
at least one more year, but I won't after that.

Frank Swygert
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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 14:31:12 -0700
From: Jim Shadwick <james@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tom jennings <itisasif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep
and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx"
<amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....
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I am a long time lister and have not been on it in a while.......it is
OK with me if it is closed down....Jim Shadwick

On 12/24/18 2:06 PM, tom jennings wrote:
> hey everyone... tom jennings here.
>
> i've not been on this list for some time, though i'm one of the administrators! oops. frank swygert had some technical issues posting this, and due to the nature of the posting, wasn't deemed worth fixing the problem.... so heres the news:


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 14:31:12 -0700
From: Jim Shadwick <james@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tom jennings <itisasif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep
and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx"
<amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....
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I am a long time lister and have not been on it in a while.......it is
OK with me if it is closed down....Jim Shadwick

On 12/24/18 2:06 PM, tom jennings wrote:
> hey everyone... tom jennings here.
>
> i've not been on this list for some time, though i'm one of the administrators! oops. frank swygert had some technical issues posting this, and due to the nature of the posting, wasn't deemed worth fixing the problem.... so heres the news:


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:35:33 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....
Message-ID: <201812242135.wBOLZXSB003960@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

sic transit gloria mundi. i'd miss it, but probably not much; i've
moved pretty much out of the amc hobby now.

the only valuable thing i have left is the 'mexican' bell housing [amc
t10 to '60s i6]. anyone know of a good home for it?

" From: tom jennings <itisasif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" hey everyone... tom jennings here.
"
" i've not been on this list for some time, though i'm one of the administrators! oops. frank swygert had some technical issues posting this, and due to the nature of the posting, wasn't deemed worth fixing the problem.... so heres the news:
"
" The domain name is up for renewal 7 January, and Tom and I have been
" discussing whether we are going to renew it or not. It's not expensive,
" but there is so little activity here it's hardly worth keeping the list up
" except for nostalgia.
"
" The main reason the old fashioned mailing list is dying out (all of them!)
" is because there are so many other venues now. There are at least a dozen
" Facebook pages that focus on specific models, time frames, or interests.
" There is the AMC Forum (
" www.theamcfoum.com
" ), that is probably the premier
" AMC site. All of those also allow photos to be posted and work well on
" modern computers. They are more what people expect today and are a bit
" easier to use.
"
" So the list is pretty much obsolete. Tom is looking at saving the archived
" files, but there really isn't much good info that can't be found on other
" web sites any more, and easier. I still have a couple of the old archive
" disks, but haven't searched one of them in many years.
"
" So what say you? The largest archive (largest number of posts) in a month
" this year was February at 9K (30 messages), and most of that was "How many
" are still on this list" -- only 11 other posts. Average was about 8 posts
" per month. It's only $15 a year, so it's not a bother to keep it open for
" at least one more year, but I won't after that.
"
" Frank Swygert
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought


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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:35:33 -0600
From: A Griffith <amc.rambler.fan@xxxxxxxxx>
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....
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Well, this is sad news...
The various FB pages and AMCForum is okay but, there's ALOT of noise on them (e.g. How much is my granddad's Hornet worth?? Can I put an LS in it?).? This mailing list (for me) has always been a place for "hardcore answers".? Not a lot of traffic but, good info.

The problem with the list activity is correctable.? It's not popular for two reasons-

No pictures
No one knows about it.


In the end though, shutting it down probably won't affect very many people so, if it's too much trouble to keep going, shutter it.




> hey everyone... tom jennings here.
>
> i've not been on this list for some time, though i'm one of the administrators! oops. frank swygert had some technical issues posting this, and due to the nature of the posting, wasn't deemed worth fixing the problem.... so heres the news:
>
> The domain name is up for renewal 7 January, and Tom and I have been
> discussing whether we are going to renew it or not. It's not expensive,
> but there is so little activity here it's hardly worth keeping the list up
> except for nostalgia.
>
> The main reason the old fashioned mailing list is dying out (all of them!)
> is because there are so many other venues now. There are at least a dozen
> Facebook pages that focus on specific models, time frames, or interests.
> There is the AMC Forum (
> www.theamcfoum.com
> ), that is probably the premier
> AMC site. All of those also allow photos to be posted and work well on
> modern computers. They are more what people expect today and are a bit
> easier to use.
>
> So the list is pretty much obsolete. Tom is looking at saving the archived
> files, but there really isn't much good info that can't be found on other
> web sites any more, and easier. I still have a couple of the old archive
> disks, but haven't searched one of them in many years.
>
> So what say you? The largest archive (largest number of posts) in a month
> this year was February at 9K (30 messages), and most of that was "How many
> are still on this list" -- only 11 other posts. Average was about 8 posts
> per month. It's only $15 a year, so it's not a bother to keep it open for
> at least one more year, but I won't after that.
>
> Frank Swygert
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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 22:27:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....
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For a long time it was pretty much the only source I had. I'd keep it, but I'm also a bit of an accumulator
that has trouble letting things go. :)

Ken Ames

39Master85w.partscar,50Cockshutt30,53Cockshutt50,67Marlin343,68AMX343,70Machine,
73Matador2dht401,73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,76Matador4dsd,
76-77Matadorcpes,2-77AMXs304,77Pacersw,78AMX304,78GremlinGT,78Concordsw,
79Concordhb,79PacerDL304,2-79AMXs304/401,79Spiritsed,80J10,2-80AMXs258/401,
2-80SpiritDL304/258,80Eagle4dsdn,3-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,2-81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
83SpiritDL,3-85Eaglesw,2-80J20/360,85J10,2-88Eaglesw,94Sentra2dsd (51)

AMCA = http://www.amcalberta.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 2:35:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] the AMC-LIST.com domain....

sic transit gloria mundi. i'd miss it, but probably not much; i've
moved pretty much out of the amc hobby now.

the only valuable thing i have left is the 'mexican' bell housing [amc
t10 to '60s i6]. anyone know of a good home for it?

" From: tom jennings <itisasif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" hey everyone... tom jennings here.
"
" i've not been on this list for some time, though i'm one of the administrators! oops. frank swygert had some technical issues posting this, and due to the nature of the posting, wasn't deemed worth fixing the problem.... so heres the news:
"
" The domain name is up for renewal 7 January, and Tom and I have been
" discussing whether we are going to renew it or not. It's not expensive,
" but there is so little activity here it's hardly worth keeping the list up
" except for nostalgia.
"
" The main reason the old fashioned mailing list is dying out (all of them!)
" is because there are so many other venues now. There are at least a dozen
" Facebook pages that focus on specific models, time frames, or interests.
" There is the AMC Forum (
" www.theamcfoum.com
" ), that is probably the premier
" AMC site. All of those also allow photos to be posted and work well on
" modern computers. They are more what people expect today and are a bit
" easier to use.
"
" So the list is pretty much obsolete. Tom is looking at saving the archived
" files, but there really isn't much good info that can't be found on other
" web sites any more, and easier. I still have a couple of the old archive
" disks, but haven't searched one of them in many years.
"
" So what say you? The largest archive (largest number of posts) in a month
" this year was February at 9K (30 messages), and most of that was "How many
" are still on this list" -- only 11 other posts. Average was about 8 posts
" per month. It's only $15 a year, so it's not a bother to keep it open for
" at least one more year, but I won't after that.
"
" Frank Swygert
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2018 07:32:32 -0500
From: "Bruce Hevner" <390scrambler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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I Took a look and the first time I was on the list was 16 years ago!!! The
list has been a GREAT resource over the years but,,,times change. As has the
AMC hobby. Every year sees fewer and fewer cars AND enthusiasts. FB has
pretty much taken over EVERYTHING (good OR bad). If it's going to cost I say
let it die. BUT,,,,BE SURE to have a good backup for archive. There is a TON
of good information in the list!! But HEY,,,,,,,,that's just ME,,, you're
mileage may vary, and probably will.
RIP
Bruce Hevner

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Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2018 07:37:44 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-list] amc-list
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I believe time to shut it down. Maybe in honor of John Elle who died a few 
months ago. He was sort of backbone of this amc-list stepping in to help 
1000s of AMCers with questions, big and small. Always helpful even if 
problem had been commented on, still offered assistance. His collection of 
AMCs were taken to brothers place in New Zealand, inc late Valerie Fleming's 
80 AMX, 75 Hornet Sportabout wagon and I believe a hatchback. Not sure what 
happened to the 70 Donohue.

I started a facebook group a year ago, has 5500+ people in one year, am 
humbled and honored (honoUred if Canadian) that grew so quick, so fast. 
Instantly put photos of which I recommend AMCs stuck to ground to American 
Cup winners, all good, feel free to join
https://www.facebook.com/groups/950867441658093/

Yes, old fashioned mailing lists dying out or DOA already. A few times I 
have been talking to myself on here. But not unusual to talk to myself ha 
ha. But figured if I posted a lead, or interesting tidbit on facebook, would 
post here too.

When I joined here in 1990s, stepped right into "What Is A Real AMX?" fight, 
and was surprised to see such a nice medium being used in a way like that, 
as someone from Alamo AMC San Antonio chapter told me to get on Jim Stone's 
amxfiles.com site and check it out, which I did, from a huge SRO sports bar 
near my apartment with free internet.

But everyone has gravitated to facebook, and I have a file on my site with 
some (but not all yet!) facebook groups am in:
http://www.planethoustonamx.com/amc-facebook/amc-groups-on-facebook.htm

A irony here is that we used to bitch and whine in 1980s how much AMC Hobby 
was fractured. Wars between different aMC national clubs, mostly Larry 
Mitchell's AMCWC against all others, 'fractured' us and could not unite.  So 
fast forward into 2019, hell, there is over 50 aMC & Rambler related 
facebook groups, some for only one model, or year for instance!

Mitchell's club imploded in early 2000s, and in 2018, he died in a Jeep 
crash in AZ; while AMC NAMDRA group fell apart and is also gone as Jock 
Jocewicz died in 2018. We lost a lot of AMCers in 2018, Neil Perry, Garry 
Timmerman, the aforementioned John Elle to name a few, chances are some of 
ya'll can add to the list. But the old amc-list few people left, and sure, 
you ca still search for www.amxfiles.com but get HTTP ERROR 500
Problem accessing /c. Reason:  Server Error

But that site been gone for years, and even after it was gone, could still 
pull up on internet, and unfortunately had AMCers who no longer with us who 
passed into AMC Heaven in 1990s, 2000s like vendors Leo Charbonnet; Lee 
Fanning, John Slabe and Joe Lazur for instance.

Anyways, if I can figure out how to leave the amc-list I will, for some 
reason it still has my old email of eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx not 
eddie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx shortened by my new website host...over 2 years 
ago. Merry Christmas to everyone, as today is Jesus' birthday. And hope to 
see ya'll on my facebook or other facebook group.
Eddie Stakes
713-464-8825 days
www.planethoustonamx.com 



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