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 Bart,,,,,,,friend of mine used a painless kit,,,said the kit was ok he just 
wasn't happy with their customer relations,,,,personally I've dealt with Ron 
Francis Wire Works,,,,,great guy to deal with and helped me through all my pain 
in ass 
questions,,,,,,,,,1-800-292-1940,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,www.wire-works.com,,,,,,,,,,,stephen 
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