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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Blessing of the Cars/T-35 trans pan (farna@xxxxxxx)
2. Cruise near Springfield, MO Pics (Jesse)
3. Trans Pan Leaks (Bill Strobel)
4. Re: Appuhthee -n- whattado (Michael Bailey)
5. Re: Blessing of the Cars/T-35 trans pan (Tom Jennings)
6. Re: Trans Pan Leaks (Tom Jennings)
7. 304 Flywheels- 3 and 4 hole interchangeable? (Jesse)
8. Re: Appuhthee -n- whattado (Tom Jennings)
9. 258 HEI Upgrade... which gear? (Jesse)
10. Best 258 Header for 79 AMX? 4.0 Year? (Jesse)
11. Re: 401 crank wanted (Todd Tomason)
12. Re: Best 258 Header for 79 AMX? 4.0 Year? (Mark Price)
13. AMC owners directory (Brien Tourville)
14. Trillian Communicator - http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ -
(Brien Tourville)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:43:24 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Blessing of the Cars/T-35 trans pan
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<081320061543.21673.44DF489A000AD604000054A921587667550E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
I seem to recall making a thick rubberized cork (don't know what the material was -- looked like a black cork) pan gasket, and also had problems sealing. Mopar makes a specific silicone compound for sealing transmission pans. They use it on new models instead of a gasket. Surfaces must be really clean, but it works well. Any Chrysler dealer should have it. I used it on my AW-4 -- I'm pretty sure that when I went for a gasket to a Jeep dealer that's what they gave me, but can't be positive now.
The V-6 in the early American sounds intriguing. It has to be a narrow (60*) 2.8-3.4L model. The only problem with them is the stock accessories are to wide, but there are narrow "hot rod" brackets available. Did you get an underhood pic? I'd sure like to see how the accessories were mounted.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Cruise near Springfield, MO Pics
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Well, it was fairly small due to the fact that the
Branson Nights Midnight cruise was the same night, but
it was fun and a 68 AMX parked right next to my 79! I
have driven the 68 and it is a BLAST... I am trying to
get the owner to go to Cordova with his recently
rebuilt 401.
Pics here at:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/j2sax/album?.dir=41a4re2&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=
Do well,
Jesse
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:17:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Strobel <theamcguy@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Trans Pan Leaks
To: List AMC <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I've had good luck using the cork gasket and weather strip adhesive. Clean the pan and the transmission mounting surface with brake cleaner, use the weather strip adhesive on both sides of the gasket, assemble, and here is the important part wait 48 hours till you fill it with tranny fluid. If you can wait longer even better. Give that gasket plenty of time to bond to the tranny. Make sure the pan surface is dead flat and clean. Hope this helps.
Bill Strobel
Independent Towing
Fayetteville NC
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:18:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Appuhthee -n- whattado
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Jim Blair wrote:
A: You mean I'm not the only one on this list with
more than one
buckle?
-----> Yeah, Jim, there are other idiots out there.
/;] At one time I had quite a nice collection jangling
around in my Gladiator cross-bed toolbox.
Over the years, various nephews and nieces,
girlfriends back when, moving, camping, fence work,
out-and-out thieves etc. wore me down to the only one
that ever made it into my house, though my Dad has it
now(I think).
That was my proudest one, about the size of a turkey
platter. I got it for a longest ride contest--22
seconds. It was a pretty big show, I think it was at
the Calgary Stampede, but I might be wrong about the
exact venue. Would have been about 1981 or so. Lots
of mornings I can STILL feel that ride.
Might be a couple buckles still woven into the wire
back on the old place.
On your reply to the "What To Do?" question, I am
absolutely thrilled to hear about the mileage racked
up by your trucks. My Gremlin puts on a usual minimum
of 64 miles a day, most days more than that.
Keep on Ramblin', and I hope your tornady days didn't
end like mine. I quit after my cousins dared me onto a
dairy cow on their farm, which promptly ran me down a
feed fence, then stomped me but good. AMC apathy seems
pretty tame after that.
m.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Blessing of the Cars/T-35 trans pan
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> The V-6 in the early American sounds intriguing. It has to be a narrow (60*) 2.8-3.4L model. The only problem with them is the stock accessories are to wide, but there are narrow "hot rod" brackets available. Did you get an underhood pic? I'd sure like to see how the accessories were mounted.
Sorry, I didn't think to. Too bad! I didn't even take any
pictures of it. Dumb.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:45:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans Pan Leaks
To: List AMC <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608130935370.11633@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, Bill Strobel wrote:
> I've had good luck using the cork gasket and weather strip adhesive. Clean the pan and the transmission mounting surface with brake cleaner, use the weather strip adhesive on both sides of the gasket, assemble, and here is the important part wait 48 hours till you fill it with tranny fluid. If you can wait longer even better. Give that gasket plenty of time to bond to the tranny. Make sure the pan surface is dead flat and clean. Hope this helps.
Well thanks for the tip. The NAPA gasket seemed pretty good,
about 1/8" thick, rubber. I thought I had the pan flat enough.
I'm hoping the kludgey Right Stuff (some elastomer stuff;
never used it but one rebuilder I knew swore by it) along the
external edge after degreasing will hold a year or six months.
I can live with a minor seep I guess.
I was gonna have it rebuilt this year, but didn't get to it. It
shifts fine, but is slow to go into gear. (about 3/4 second;
used to be a lot less.) No slipping, noises, funny shifts, etc.
It's not a job I'm prepared to do myself at this time. I am
seriously considering going back to B&E Transmissions in San
Francisco (400 mi north), they (used to be, at least) brain
surgeon quality (hence my 18 yrs on this one rebuild). I'll
pre-pay for parts and ship up my spare torque converter for
rebuild, drive up, visit friends a few days and drive back.
The guy in Westminster seems OK, but he tuned up this trans
a year or so ago and left the pan badly leaky, and used a
really cheap gasket. My old M35 I do not screw with -- I want
it treated like aircraft and I'm willing to pay for that. (I'm
cheap in other areas though :-)
I am trying to avoid even pulling/installing the M35 at home;
all I have is a driveway and it REALLY SUCKS doing transmissions
on your back. I did two in the yast year. I'll end up paying more
'cause torque-tube cars become immovable with the trans out,
but at this point...
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:46:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 304 Flywheels- 3 and 4 hole interchangeable?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060813164609.26990.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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OK, so this weekend I picked up a 304 with a 4 hole
balancer and a E-brock 600 for next to nothing! I
thought about dropping this 304 into my Commando.
I had the 304 Flywheel originally in my COmmando
turned on Friday. This 304 had a 3 hole balancer. I
would really like to use it since it was just turned.
Are the flywheels the same for the 3 and 4 hole
balanced 304's?
Thanks,
Jesse
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Appuhthee -n- whattado
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, Michael Bailey wrote:
> That was my proudest one, about the size of a turkey
> platter. I got it for a longest ride contest--22
> seconds. It was a pretty big show, I think it was at
> the Calgary Stampede, but I might be wrong about the
> exact venue. Would have been about 1981 or so. Lots
> of mornings I can STILL feel that ride.
Woah! OK, that's crazier than owning Ramblers!!
> On your reply to the "What To Do?" question, I am
> absolutely thrilled to hear about the mileage racked
> up by your trucks. My Gremlin puts on a usual minimum
> of 64 miles a day, most days more than that.
How many people here drive their old stuff daily? My 70 Hornet's
got 20K mi in the last year, and the Rambler some 200K+ in
18 years.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:51:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 258 HEI Upgrade... which gear?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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OK, in the past I have taken the gear off of the 258
dist, put it on an HEI from a 250 and run it, though I
have never done it on a vehicle that I have had very
long.
All of the websites I see say you have to use the gear
from an AMC 360? Any opinions?
If I put a new 360 gear on my HEI and drop it in, is
there any chance that it will not mesh properly and
get destroyed as has happened when people have
installed HEI's with non-matched gears in AMC V8's
(new dist gear w/old cam drive gear)?
My 79 AMX runs great for a stocker, however, I would
like to put on an HEI with M-craft 2100... maybe a
header.
Your experienced input is appreciated,
Jesse
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:01:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Best 258 Header for 79 AMX? 4.0 Year?
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Years ago I had a CLifford header and intake with a
Holley 390 on a Spirit 258. It sounded and ran great
and I never had problem with leakage, however, it hung
pretty low and was a mega pain to get in and out.
With the advent of the 4.0 and it's factory header I
know a lot of improvements have been made, albeit for
various Jeep bodystyles.
Has any of you found a good 258/4.0 header design that
doesn't take half-pulling the engine to install? A
bud had a 99 in his garage and it was a 2-3 split
design. I LIKED the looks of that, but wasn't sure if
it would work on my car body.
A shorty design would work best, but I would rather
hear from someone who has had experience witha
particular brand.
Thanks,
Jesse
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:20:38 -0500
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 401 crank wanted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200608131220.38469.jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Nick,
I think there is a market for these, but I'm not sure how big. I don't need
one right away, but I've been asking around just to see how expensive they
are, and how hard they are to find. A good used crank seems to run about
$250, but are really hard to find. I found several people in the same boat I
am. They had a good 401 block, but need a crank.
If you have these made any idea what the selling price would be? How many
would it take to make it practical?
Thanks,
Todd
On Friday 21 July 2006 08:05, Nick ALFANO wrote:
> Todd,
>
> There is no off-the-shelf crank available at this time
> for a 401. I have kicked it around for some time and
> have had a couple people interested but not enough yet
> for me to make the investment. I am going to another
> company in a month or so to see if I can get the price
> range where I want but even then, it would be a while
> and require some pre-sale.
>
> I do have a brand new custom billet Moldex crank for a
> 401. It has a 4" stroke with AMC main journals, front
> and rear hub and SBC rod journals. This would make a
> nice stroker out of a 401 with a 6" rod.
>
> Nick Alfano
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:39:48 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Best 258 Header for 79 AMX? 4.0 Year?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <8739758.1155494388428.JavaMail.root@web23>
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I run a modified 91-95 factory exhaust manifold.
It was cracked at the outlet, so I cut it off and ditched the donut and angle. I thne made up a long tapered section to join the front and rear tubes. This ends in a 2.5" diameter pipe runs down and just to the rear of the bellhousing. Then I welded on a collector flange.
It ended up being a Tri-Y type short tube header with a long 2.5" collector area.
Horsepower? Torque?? I'm not sure. I am sure that it is a very compact design. Very easy to install and remove. It is tucked up tight to the floor in a way few aftermarket exhaust are. It would also be very easy for most anyone with a MIG and basic fabricating skills to duplicate.
I took pics of it when it was done, but my computer died. I need ot go thru my discs and see if I can find a copy as I've seen this question come up time and tiem again.
Our speculation on the 91-95 exhaust is 9-10 horsepower over the Renix typ manifold, possibly more. Certainly not less.
Even in stock form the 91-95 Exhaust Manifold will fit the Spirit chassis.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Years ago I had a CLifford header and intake with a
> Holley 390 on a Spirit 258. It sounded and ran great
> and I never had problem with leakage, however, it hung
> pretty low and was a mega pain to get in and out.
>
> With the advent of the 4.0 and it's factory header I
> know a lot of improvements have been made, albeit for
> various Jeep bodystyles.
>
> Has any of you found a good 258/4.0 header design that
> doesn't take half-pulling the engine to install? A
> bud had a 99 in his garage and it was a 2-3 split
> design. I LIKED the looks of that, but wasn't sure if
> it would work on my car body.
>
> A shorty design would work best, but I would rather
> hear from someone who has had experience witha
> particular brand.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jesse
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:46:29 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC owners directory
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <44DF4955.30922.14D6CF4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I like the idea of an AMC Fan directory, however there may be some
risks
associated with posting name and phone number on the web. Is there a
plan
to restrict access? Maybe only to people who are have listed their
name
and number to the directory or AMC List members?
Keith
San Diego Ca.
65 Marlin
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== ==
The motorcycle arm of BMW : BMWMOA
have long held a small hard cardboard cover
printed 'List' of MOA owners - who choose
to be included in the Listing.
Owners Name / MOA # / Location / Ph.#
are included per listing.
I used this once when motor-riding thru Virginia,
landing a berth at some college students rented house.
Since I was travelling 'two up' , and they were partial
to Blondes, we were given a waterbed for the overnight.
If our Listing were to be online, it must be a username / password
secured site > or keep it to a printed booklet ala BMWMOA .
I've been receiving 'whak' mailings where the sender clearly made
a mistake - two mailings were the same but one had amc-list included
in subject heading - my guess is his 'bot' is harvesting online
Lists.
For this reason alone we must make the AMCOA [ american motors car
owners of america ] or AMC-LISTOD [owners directory] information
'bullet-proof'
security wise.
amc news: still paying on the nose make-over parts - total down by
one third so far > like watching paint dry !
milnersXcoupe
NEW YORK
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:28:38 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Trillian Communicator -
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ -
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <44DF5336.14545.1740415@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Here's another idea:
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/
this is Trillian Communicator - Free -
handles all the different IM providers
under one lid - without installing the hype fanfare
size / content / .exe of the various 'originals':
AIM-MSN-ICQ-!Y is on mine currently.
just add your 'Friend' to the respective
Provider and you're good to go.
you can see who's online - respond to
Text Messages - Text to Cell Phones -
good for Emergencies and Directions
to and from - idle B.S. - Truck Stop
Updates Interstate - etc.
you can 'cloak' and run unseen as well.
since everyone here has a computer of some
sorts - and most have cell phones - this would
be a good addition to have included in the
AMCL- owners directory -.
AMC content: if it don't go - chrome it.
milnersXcoupe
NEW YORK
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