Re: [AMC-list] AMC-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 9
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Yes how do I get taken off yall mailing list I don't have my AMC rambler
any more

On Feb 14, 2017 2:00 PM, <amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>    1. Re: I6 Engines.... Why did the starter move around? (Jim Blair)
>    2. Re: I6 Engines.... Why did the starter move around?
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> From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] I6 Engines.... Why did the starter move
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>    The one year only small bell '71 258 could have used the Nailhead TH400
> adapter set used on the 232 in a few full size Jeeps pre '71 as it tore up
> the small BW automatic transmissions and small diameter clutch discs too.
>    One of the FSJ guys last year sold the 232 motor and Nailhead th400
> trans (hopefully a Rambler guy got it and not a Spokane scrap yard), but we
> did get a picture to prove it was the early one (starter on left with
> adapter ring)
>
>  That aside, the IH guys with AMC 6 (232) bet me there was no such thing
> as the small bell 258 several years ago.
>
>    The few IHs with AMC 401 and 727 used a Delco (Chev) style starter on
> the right that should directly swap with the Motorcraft (Ford) one aside
> from the built in solenoid.
>
>    Hopefully this makes sense as I'm still recuperating from whatever
> poison shut my thyroid off about this time last year, ruined my health and
> messed my memory up. I had to sell our mobile home and my running vehicles
> (still have a couple full size projects to sell as well as our cabin and an
> Isuzu NPR diesel that was going to be fixed and swapped into a Full Size
> Jeep)
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> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>(Sandwich Maker)
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] I6 Engines.... Why did the starter move   around?
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> " From: A Griffith <amc.rambler.fan@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> amc.rambler.fan@xxxxxxxxx>>
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> " Does anyone know why on some 232/258 the start is on the driver's side
> and on others it's on the passenger side?
>
>
> the starter switched sides in '72 coincident with the six adopting the
> v8 bellhousing pattern.  the only early-style 258 was the first year,
> '71.
>
> " Some are GM and some are Ford.  What's the deal?
>
> whatever they got the best deal on.  up to '68 they were delco, but in
> '69 - with the same early-style small bellhousing - they were
> motorcraft.  dunno if they ever went back.
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 08:58:22 -0500 (EST)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] I6 Engines.... Why did the starter move
>         around?
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> " From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> "    The one year only small bell '71 258 could have used the Nailhead
> " TH400 adapter set used on the 232 in a few full size Jeeps pre '71 as
> " it tore up the small BW automatic transmissions and small diameter
> " clutch discs too.
>
> now i have to chime in about clutches...        :^>
>
> the standard clutch on the early-bell sixes was a 9 1/8" with a
> small-pattern pressure plate.
>
> however, the 199/232/258 flywheel was also drilled and tapped for the
> 10" pattern, and in amc cars there was a 10" hd option, even with the
> 15/16" x 10 spline input.  it was even used with 2bbl 304s and t14s in
> the early '70s.  [did jeeps have something like this?]
>
> there are 2 problems with them in sixes: the pp must be an actual 10";
> the small bellhousing will not clear a 10.5" b&b [ask me how i know],
> which is the common universal replacement, and - in my american, at
> least - it has a longer throw, barely within the linkage's range.
>
> i used to have the p/n for the perfection brand 10" pp, but it's
> probably been obsoleted and replaced with their 10.5" by now.
>
> the diapragm type of pp has a lower profile and would likely not have
> the clearance problem a 10.5" b&b [coil-spring] type has, but i don't
> know if it has more or less travel.  more would be a problem, but if
> it works it opens up the possibility of 10.5" or even '10.95"'
> clutches.
>
> there's another possible option.  mopar slant sixes only take
> small-pattern clutches, but there's an hd setup very widely used for
> decades, in small trucks and vans at least, and which first appeared in
> late-'60s cars with 273 v8s.  it's a b&b-style pp that fits the 9 1/8"
> pattern but takes a 10" disk, and afaik it even uses the same to
> bearing as amc cars.
>
> some fwd cars also have had the 9 1/8" clutch pattern, and the
> performance industry has come up with 9.5" diaphragm clutches for
> them.
>
> if either of these last two work at all, they would also work on 196s.
>
> and just btw and fyi, the small clutch flywheel pattern is 6 x 5/16" x
> 10 5/16", and the medium pattern is 6 x 3/8" x 11 3/8", sae unf iirc.
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> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
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