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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Wiper switch needed (Tom Jennings)
2. Dem old bonz (Mahoney, John)
3. Carb question: Motorcraft 4300 (acskln)
4. Re: Wiper switch needed (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
5. 6 cylinder harmonic balancer (Jay)
6. Re: Carb Question: Motorcraft 4300 (John Elle)
7. nice drive to SF from LA... (Tom Jennings)
8. Re: 6 cylinder harmonic balancer (John Elle)
9. Anyone in NY have a 401 block for sale (Nick ALFANO)
10. Fw: A/C bracket on Edelbrock intake question (Eddie Stakes)
11. wheel stud spins - front drum (Mike Kindle)
12. Re: Good Old List Guys (farna@xxxxxxx)
13. Re: E85 and Old Cars (farna@xxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:17:18 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
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On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 22:21, Jim Blair wrote:
> A: Tell them it is an '87 Ford F250 with 6.9L diesel and intermittent
> wipers. Controller is the same also. There is a pin in the non-int wiper
> switch to keep it from being plugged into the harness for the int box. If
> you go non-intermittent, you can unplug the box (which just plugs into the
> int switch at one end and the harness on the other) and plug the regular
> switch in with no modifications.
Great!! Thanks for that hard info! I carefully disassembled and rebuilt
my delay switch since I thought they were unavailable. That info goes in
my spreadsheet!
>
>
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200604241702.k3OH2ZP15756@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with
> intermittent
> " wipes. NAPA does not have a listing. Anybody have a source
> or a good
> " used one? Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep
> interchange?
>
> isn't this a ford-sourced part? thought i read that
> somewhere...
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:22:30 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <JMahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Dem old bonz
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Since "Sleepless in Portland" porously typed, "some have been typing their poor fingers to the bone for the list" and then typed on the return of old times,
a pointed point should be taken: how easily we can forget. (Not to point any fingers, of course...)
>>
Flashers were not a 1966 requirement. My former 66 Rebel was made in March of 1966 and did not have them.
<<
"Requirement" depended on where registered and, as might have been [still is] expected, the high-tax states led.
>>
The law for hazard lights came into effect 01 January 1966 -- the Motor Vehicle Safety Act. 1966 models produced before January did not have to have flashers. AMC had an under dash switch that was factory instaled on late 66 models, and could be dealer (or owner) installed on all prior AMC built cars.
<<
"On September 9, 1966, Johnson signed into law the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act and the Highway Safety Act, placing the Federal Government in the leadership role of a comprehensive national program to reduce the number of injuries and deaths on America's highways. The Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act required the establishment of federal safety standards for motor vehicles after the 1968 model year, as well as for tires."
(So typed the Office of the Historian, U.S. Department of Transportation...)
What was officially the "Hazard Warning Signal" (and officially Section 108 of Title 49, Part 571 --- if you want to see where some of your tax money goes, see some of the growth in said law some 35 years later: you keep your government payrolls plump and your so-called civil servants keep themselves employed...)
http://tinyurl.com/4v68k
became effective on 1/31/67, but that action of the newly-created DOT was, in fact, reaction to earlier SAE suggestions, and 4-way flashers had been optional, state-required,
http://tinyurl.com/sxns3
or standard on some cars before then.
http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird1966standardequipment.html
Also, in the first years after flashers were required, locations varied.
While some Chrysler products even had switches in the -glove- boxes, my first -drivable- Mopar (which I first drove in 1969) had NYS-legal four-way flashers mounted on --- and fully-integrated into --- the dashboard.
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B15262.jpg
http://www.russoandsteele.com/vehicle_photos/6136_int.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/q342f
(my car's paint looked like AMC 9A Alpaca Brown and dash looked like
http://www.mecumauction.com/auctions/lot_images/CH1005-30423b.jpg
even if it did not have a Hemi...)
http://tinyurl.com/lnjqp
but only had 318 CI. Yet it had one of those distinctive "start-up" songs once sung by all automobiles. Does anyone miss the "good old days" when engines could be identified by starting and running voices and when kids could guess make and model just by listening carefully? Maybe kids were better off by being challenged back then (not that they cannot identify several engines by sound today: if they're almost silent, they may be by Lexus...) and doing so kept their head bones strong and fingers in flight.
Point pointedly made. (Not to point any fingers, of course...)
>>
I've got one other comment to make on the last couple days comments re:
Chrysler . A number of people seem to blame Chrysler for AMC demise . I
contend that AMC was long dead before 1987. The last cars per say where
built in Canada in 1983. After 1983 all you had left was the Eagle Station
wagon primarily and there was a Corporate edit to market the Eagles as
Jeeps !!!!! In fact I have factory literature that has the Eagle in with
the Pickups and Cherokees and rest of the Jeeps . The Eagle was an MPV or
multi propose vehicle and not per say a car. I've always looked on the
Chrysler take over as more of a mercy killing of what Ray-not screwed up.
With Ray not we got another 7 to 10 years of parts on the shelves. At
least what ray not did not throw out everything. Chrysler just throw away
what was not moving, unfortunately most of the old AMC parts where not
moving. And Yes it was probably a mistake to close down Kenosha car
production, especially with 7 months of backorders on the books for Police
cars , primarily. Chrysler was going broke again and even though the
workers had a pretty standard Chrysler type contract by 1987 the oldest
plant went first. thanks , Larry R. Daum
<<
AMC (as an American "car" company) died in 1981, when it became clear that no design money would be spent on anything but Jeep vehicles and "Americanized" Renault derivatives and that 1982 and 1983 were mainly "build-out" model years. Eagle was to be a "Jeep-Eagle" product (Lee didn't originate the idea) and Renault was to be the -car- marque at existing AMC-Jeep dealerships.
Without Renault and without Chrysler (who kept Kenosha up and running even before they bought the works), AMC would have gone away earlier;
not what today's AMC fans wish would've happen. And, for the record, Lee did not want to bury American Motors, he planned to integrate it. Into a new Chrysler Corporation, like Chrysler was into Daimler-Benz.
If you saw the proposed "penta-bloc" logo, you'd get the point.
"My poor fingers!"
Point made.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:49:33 -0400
From: "acskln" <acskln@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Carb question: Motorcraft 4300
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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What ws the stock CFM rating on a 1970 4300?
Thanks,
Aaron
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:54:26 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
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I kind of meant the switch as part of the electrics. It didn't come out real clear though. The harness itself is the same, it's what plugs into it that differs. You can plug a non intermittant switch in directly or an intermitant control box and intermitant switch.--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 11:12, markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > They are indeed Ford souced. what you have to look for is to make sure
> > the shaft and mounting match up. IIRC the plug in on the back is the
> > same clear back to at least 73. Only difference in electrics is with
> > or without delay wipers. Delay is just an add-on box that plugs in
> > series between the delay switch and the harness.
>
> Actually, the switch assmebly is quite different between delay and
> non-delay... first, there's the delay pot reach by turning left from OFF
> that's obviously not there on the non-delays, but also, the plug that
> mates to the back of the switch is subtly different and won't
> interchange -- you need a delay-wiper connector to match the delay-wiper
> control. They look almost the same though; just one blocking lug moved.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:33:15 -0400
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 6 cylinder harmonic balancer
To: "AMC LIST" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I see a bunch of V8 harmonic balancers for sale on ebay, but almost never
see one for a 232 or 258 engine. They don't give trouble? I guerss they
can be rebuilt?
Jay in FL.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:00:42 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Carb Question: Motorcraft 4300
To: AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Aaron
SNIP
What was the stock CFM rating on a 1970 4300? Thanks,
Aaron
Snip
A YAHOO search on this subject comes up with 605cfm
John.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:21:59 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] nice drive to SF from LA...
To: amc-list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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No big deal, but I drove up to San Francisco, from Los Angeles this past
weekend, for the Maker's Faire (http://www.makezine.com/faire/) in the
'70 Hornet. 70-75mph the whole way, ran great, grilled a lot of bugs.
(Actual insects, not problems.)
My starter is crapping out; it's a "premium" rebuild from NAPA. I guess
the word premium means crap, because that's what it is; it gets tighter
when hot, and it always sounds tight. This was premium #2, as #1 had one
of those crap stripped-stud-fixing things on it, that came off in the
box! (Rather than actually replace the stripped stud on the core, they
wrench on a "repair stud" on it; so much for quality.). Even the NAPA
counter guy was embarrassed, and got me the replacement, no questions
asked.
I'm gonna take the one from the parts car to the local rebuilder -- who
I can at least hold responsible for his work! -- install that, and
repeat with the current one so I have two good starters, one for mine
and the other for Josh's 72 Hornet, which I hope to complete this
weekend.
Picked up the torque converter today on the way to work, so I have run
out of excuses for reassembling that car.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:10:39 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 6 cylinder harmonic balancer
To: AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Jay
SNIP
I see a bunch of V8 harmonic balancers for sale on ebay, but almost
never
see one for a 232 or 258 engine. They don't give trouble? I guerss
they
can be rebuilt? -Jay in FL.
SNIP
The harmonic balancers for I-6 engines are not usually stressed into a
failure mode so there is not a lot of need for one.
But if they are damaged, the AMC I-6 engine families (258, 232 and 199)
are internally balanced so that a harmonic balancer can be swapped from
one to another with no problems. The V8 engine families are external
balanced which means that the harmonic balancer is part of the balancing
assembly for the given displacement of the engine and can not be swapped
(for the most part) to another engine with out rebalancing it for the
new size. Also the mounting holes for various pulleys very, it is 3 or 4
holes so depending on the year they are unique again for the engine. In
addition V8 engines have been used for "race" motors and if the rubber
is bad high rpm can damage them thus creating a need for them.
Both the I6 and V8 harmonic balancers can be rebuilt and there are a
number of companies that do just that.
John.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:08:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Anyone in NY have a 401 block for sale
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Anyone around New Hartford NY have a bare 401 block
for sale that could help a Joe Booth out? His
machinist sonic tested his block before they started
any machining and found out cylinders 1-4 are already
too thin at .030 over. He has been trying to find a
block but has had no luck. A few guys have given him
the run around so he is getting frustrated. I know we
have quite a few AMC guys in the NY area.
Here is his contact info:
Dear Nick
If you happen to know of anyone that would like to
sell a 401 block please let me know. I'm located in
New Hartford NY which is central NY, between Syracuse
and Utica. My phone number is 315 269-3361
I'd appreciate anything you could do.
Sincerely
Joe Booth
Thanks,
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
262-308-1302
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:49:39 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: A/C bracket on Edelbrock intake question
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: jshrewsberry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Jef has a dilemma on no provision on a Edelbrock intake for a original AC bracket on his 71 Javelin. Anyone have any suggestions please feel free to comment and be sure to also copy your reply to Jeff as he will appreciate it, thanks in advance to all who may reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Shrewsberry jshrewsberry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: A/C bracket
Hello! I hope all is well.
I was hoping I could call upon your knowledge on my wife's 1971 Javelin SST. I am rebuilding the 360 in it and am almost done with it (it has been 9 months so far).
My wife wanted a little power so some aftermarket products are on the engine - including an Edelbrock intake.
Therein lies the problem... there's no spot on the Edelbrock intake to mount the A/C bracket like on the stock manifold.
Any solutions you could offer me? I could possibly fabricate something here at the shop.
Thanks,
Jeff Shrewsberry
FCx Performance
e-mail: jshrewsberry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: (614) 253-1996 x1165
Fax: (614) 253-2033
Web Site: www.fcxperformance.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:06:35 -0700
From: "Mike Kindle" <mike90066@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] wheel stud spins - front drum
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Thanks to Joe Fulton for good used front drums.
I measured one I'm replacing and there is a .035 or so off-center issue with
it which was causing the brakes to grab the drum as it went around. I'm
betting that they were both turned incorrectly as the surface is nice and
smooth and round, and they both would grab.
So I want to swap my front hubs, to the "new" drums, so I drove out the
studs till the hub and drum separated. Then I put the hub in the new drum
and drove the studs back in. Two things:
First, my wheel studs have no knurls, and they have an "Am" logo on them,
and now that it's all back together two of them want to turn with the
lugnut.
Second, the drum does not want to stay with the hub anymore.
Will getting new knurled wheel studs solve both problems?
Do the knurls hold the drum in place?
How did the factory get away with unknurled studs? is this a one-time use
thing?
Thanks,
Mike
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:03:29 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Good Old List Guys
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I agree! That jolt of AMC posts from the change over seems to have awakened a few people, though it ticked off quit a few as well. The list now has a healthy 611 members! That's about what was expected. It seems like AOL isn't blocking any more, they just knocked everyone off so they can resubscribe if they like. I haven't had any new AOL members recently, but there are two that signed back on and haven't been knocked back off.
There will be Hummers and AMG Deuces in Afghanistan, and the contractors may have some Cherokees/Grand Cherokees, and maybe even a Wrangler or two. Most likely Ford/Chevy/Dodge 4x4 trucks though. The main base maintenance is handled by a contractor, we (military) just take care of the airfield and very sensitive areas. Might be a long four months. Restricted to base for the most part, which is a good thing since people are still occasionally getting shot at off base. There were a couple rockets lobbed at the base about 2-3 months ago, but before that no attacks for 18 months. Chances are I won't even hear a thing except in the distance.
I'll have internet access though, getting my laptop ready now!
On April 25, 2006 Retro Ralph wrote:
> Sure is nice to see the old list guys back checking in again...
>
> Jim Blair, John Elle, Ralph Winslow, too, I think... and others that I'm likely forgetting to mention. Even caught a line or two from Tom Benvie, cleaning his attic. Kind off looks like old times again. And Eddie was absent for a while but he's back and going strong.
>
> Ken Ames, Andrew Hay, Tom Jennings, Mark Price, Frank Swygert, Matt Haas, Joe Fulton and many others that don't come to my more porous mind right now have been typing their poor fingers to the bone for the list.
>
> Maybe sometime our good old AOL problems will subside and a few more subscribers can rejoin us. Looks like things will be smoothing out here. Seems like the list was in a popularity slump for awhile. Maybe because of so many failures that never seemed to get corrected. Things feel better now with this mail list server, for me, anyway.
>
> I wonder if there are any AMC's in Afghanistan for Frank while he's visiting there. He might have to settle for a Hummer... (somehow that sounds dirty, huh?)
>
> I hate it when I wake up in the middle of the night.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:15:41 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E85 and Old Cars
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There appears to be no consumer reason for switching to E85. In the vast majority of instances E85 prices closely parallel gasoline prices, maybe a few pennies less. I checked pricing on this site (which has other info and links) - http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/e85toolkit/e85_fuel.html. The only reason to switch to E85 is environmental. In the long run using more ethanol should help US industries other than oil -- especially farming.
On April 25, 2006 Todd Tomason wrote:
> John,
>
> I know it's possible. I remember guys doing it back in the late 70's with
> straight ethanol. I have heard of issues with fuel line corrosion. I'm not
> sure if it's from the alcohol, or the water in the alcohol.
>
> Todd
>
> On Monday 24 April 2006 21:51, John wrote:
> > Has anyone converted a carburetor engine to run on E85? I have been
> > reading posts on other sites that talk about rejetting and using additives
> > to prevent lubrication issues. How hard would it be to get it to work in
> > my 70 Ambo?
> >
> > John
> > E85 Land (Indiana)
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