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Today's Topics:

   1. Old Seat Belts (Brien Tourville)
   2. Re: Old Seat Belts (Tom Jennings)
   3. Re: Trans for 232 six. (John Elle)
   4. Eagle front hub-Possible interchange? (Glenn Ford)
   5. Re: seat belts (Larry R. Daum)
   6. Re: Old Seat Belts (Russell Neyhart)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:51:44 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Old Seat Belts
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:54:26 -0400
From: Wayne MacQuarrie <waynem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re dyeing seat belts


I would be very concerned with comprising the strength of the 
webbing. I
don`t know about anyone else but restoration is one thing but the 
safety
of my passengers is first in my mind. Also i`m sure someone has a 
black
belt that you could get for free or at least a good price. Just my 2c

Wayne

  

<>


I'm with Wayne - materials age, especially things that are in the 
weather & sunlight like seatbelts - even just lying around in
a warehouse since 1971 degrades simply from chemistry.

Watch a few crash tests on TV commercials and ask yourself if
you would prefer a New Seatbelt or a used one that is 35 years
old, while strapped in & slamming into a Hummer......... hmmmm

........ I'd definatly go with a NOS AMC since it's 
'Original'......... [ ...... yeah ...... right . }




Cold enough ?    The metal has shrunk so much - the Paint is standing 
.25 in. off the surface !



        =Bt=
  milnersXcoupe
   "The Heretic"



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:42:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Old Seat Belts
Cc: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612041742320.5493@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Brien Tourville wrote:

> Cold enough ?    The metal has shrunk so much - the Paint is standing 
> .25 in. off the surface !

(Then it's time to squirt new primer under there while you have the chance.)


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:43:24 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans for 232 six.
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000401c7181f$88e859d0$c6dd0d82@john1>
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Butch
 
Snip
Iam putting a 72 232 in my 64 american and have decided to use
transmission
from 72 or later. My repair manual says that the 727, 904 & 998 were
Automatics 
that will work with the 232 six. Which would be the best for my 64. I
realize
that I will need to change the yoke on the drive shaft and other stuff.
Are
these trans fluid or air cooled
Snip
 
The 904 is OEM for all of the AMC I-6 engines used from 1972 on with a
couple of fleet or heavy duty exceptions. 
Any year 904 will work and bolt up to the engine. The 904 transmission
is reliable; parts are commonly available and although they can be
rebuilt with heavy duty parts to improve the reliability it is generally
not needed. In 1980 AMC started to use the lock up torque converter
version which is interesting as first and second gear are lower geared
to improve acceleration when using taller rear axle gears. For example
2.53 is standard on a 1980 Spirit. When used with that rear axle ratio
you can expect better gasoline mileage and as the transmission is set up
with lower gears in 1st and 2nd acceleration is not compromised. Also
you can play with the lock up point of the torque converter to get the
transmission to act as a poor mans 4 speed automatic. But if that does
not float your boat any, they all work. 
It could be neat though to locate one that has a floor shift package set
up with it so you do not have to figure out how to get the column shift
to work and they were available but probably more commonly found in the
Spirits than any other model. 
They are all liquid cooled with lines running to the radiator. If you
find a parts car purchase the transmission, torque converter,
transmission mount, yoke, cooling lines, kick down linkage from the
carburetor to the transmission and shift linkage to ease your
conversion. They can be found in any AMC I-6 automatic equipped
automobile.
 
John
 
 
 
 


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:33:54 -0700
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Eagle front hub-Possible interchange?
To: "mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi, all, you're such a good bunch I just gotta wish you all a politically 
correct SEASON"S GREETINGS!

Coming out of stealth mode to pose a question.

I recently replaced a front hub for the obvious reason. It was a hub from a 
Pull-a-part Eagle, so I had no idea it was going to be different than what I 
would eventually change out. I had lined up bearings and seals to rebuild 
the old ones, and was confused that there was no listing for the INNER seal 
on the carrier, NOT the knuckle seal. TSM did not show a seal there, either. 
Once removed and side by side, all important dimensions were there, and it 
DOES fit and run fine. However, the differences of note are: Original has an 
O-ring on the inner side to knuckle, and NO inner carrier seal, and bearing 
flush with carrier. Replacement has NO O-ring, and the inner face of the 
carrier is deep enough for, and has a seal that sits flush to the carrier. 
It even seals properly on the spacer. This renders the knuckle seal kind of 
redundant except to act as a dust seal, or extra seal. Seems that seal gets 
worn and lets in junk and moisture which probably is what killed my hub.

Question, then is this a Jeep hub, or an aftermarket improvement or even a 
factory replacement? On-line catalogues don't cross over, but the inner seal 
is a Jeep feature, and the taper inside down to the seal appears identical 
to on-line pics. PLUS, the outer seal is the same for Jeep and Eagle. 
Otherwise, nobody seems to list a hub assembly for the Eagle.

Sure would like to hear there is a ready hub replacement, since the added 
seal would be a bonus.

Anybody tried this? I never had to replace a Jeep hub yet, and have over 
250,000 km on my 85, and 506,000 on my 87, in fact no bearings or new grease 
on them, ever, so I have never looked at one in my hand. Luck, or what?

If nobody knows for sure, I may eventually compare, as I think I have one 
going out now on the 87 Wagoneer.


Glenn Ford in Warburg Alberta.


'85 and '87 Wagoneer Limiteds (XJ), 2-'87 Eaglewagons ( 1-auto, 1-Limited
T-5)



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:45:26 -0800
From: "Larry R. Daum" <mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] seat belts
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: waynem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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RE:seat belts

I know from there latest catalogue that Legendary Interior has new seats 
belts that work in  late 60's AMCs in 60 and 74 inch lengths.
The 60's inch length will work in late 60's Javelin and AMXs. I'm pretty 
sure they will work in most of the other late 60's early AMCs. Yes you paid 
good money, but like the man says , it's a safety issue . They are very 
close to the stock type AMC seat belts, only perhaps a little longer by a 
couple inches.LRDaum


Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:54:26 -0400
From: Wayne MacQuarrie
Subject: [AMC-List] Re dyeing seat belts


I would be very concerned with comprising the strength of the
webbing. I
don't know about anyone else but restoration is one thing but the
safety
of my passengers is first in my mind. Also i'm sure someone has a
black
belt that you could get for free or at least a good price. Just my 2c

Wayne



<>


I'm with Wayne - materials age, especially things that are in the
weather & sunlight like seatbelts - even just lying around in
a warehouse since 1971 degrades simply from chemistry.

Watch a few crash tests on TV commercials and ask yourself if
you would prefer a New Seatbelt or a used one that is 35 years
old, while strapped in & slamming into a Hummer......... hmmmm

........ I'd definatly go with a NOS AMC since it's
'Original'......... [ ...... yeah ...... right . }





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:19:15 -0500
From: Russell Neyhart <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Old Seat Belts
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <457555B3.6030804@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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  Speaking of seat belts... Soon my oldest daughter will not be able to 
fit in the car seat she uses in the Eagle. I was considering using the 
set up from these folks http://www.ezonpro.com/ (or something similar) 
in the Eagle for the rear seat. Three setups would allow me to seat my 
daughter (with) and niece (without) a booster seat and my youngest in 
her car seat. When they're ready, they'll be able to sit in the back 
with more than just a lap belt. They have a set up that welds to the 
floor and has two shoulder belts that come up and over with loops that 
the OE lap belts go through giving a four-point harness.

Has anyone tackled this problem in their old AMC? Thoughts on this?

Regards,

Russ
1988 Eagle Wagon

Brien Tourville wrote:
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:54:26 -0400
> From: Wayne MacQuarrie <waynem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Re dyeing seat belts
>
>
> I would be very concerned with comprising the strength of the 
> webbing. I
> don`t know about anyone else but restoration is one thing but the 
> safety
> of my passengers is first in my mind. Also i`m sure someone has a 
> black
> belt that you could get for free or at least a good price. Just my 2c
>
> Wayne
>
>   
>
> <>
>
>
> I'm with Wayne - materials age, especially things that are in the 
> weather & sunlight like seatbelts - even just lying around in
> a warehouse since 1971 degrades simply from chemistry.
>
> Watch a few crash tests on TV commercials and ask yourself if
> you would prefer a New Seatbelt or a used one that is 35 years
> old, while strapped in & slamming into a Hummer......... hmmmm
>
> ........ I'd definatly go with a NOS AMC since it's 
> 'Original'......... [ ...... yeah ...... right . }
>
>
>
>
> Cold enough ?    The metal has shrunk so much - the Paint is standing 
> .25 in. off the surface !
>
>
>
>         =Bt=
>   milnersXcoupe
>    "The Heretic"
>
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